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10th Aug 2014, 11:40 PM
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...and say goodbye.
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Author Notes:
Magravan edit delete
Magravan
Going to just post this quick.
Skrael (I'm the artist) edit delete
Skrael (I'm the artist)
Well that's all there is, everyone. I sure hope that you enjoyed this little epilogue. When I first read the script, I was in tears at the ending. But I think that it is such a perfect one.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIIqYqtR1lY
User comments:
Nightsky edit delete reply
Nightsky
A perfect ending. It's strangely sad to see them die, even if it's the end...

Farewell, TOGM. It was a fun read.
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
It was sad to write it, too. But I'm content to leave it in the next generation's hands :)
rokulily edit delete reply
rokulily
this went to interesting places. good job guys and thanks for the nice read.
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
I hope you mean interesting and not 'interesting.....' :)

Either way, thanks for reading, and you're welcome :D
Terrh (Guest) edit delete reply
Really enjoyed this series and although I never commented before - Thank you, It was a great read and nice to see the story end on a good note rather than simply dragging on pointlessly (As some have done in the past). It's not to say I won't miss it, of course.

Great Job, Thanks!
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
You're welcome, and thank you for taking the time to comment :)

It was always planned to have an ending, and after more than 3 years, I'm happy that we both are done and can try new things, and that John got his moment in the sun. This was always intended to be the 'real' ending. John figures out Enlightenment, and RZ grows up.
Tempus (Guest) edit delete reply
I have been following this comic since 2013 never really decided to post anything before, but seeing this i just want to say thank you. This comic was something i enjoyed reading and seeing this ending made it all worthwhile. Thank you for creating such a great comic.
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
You're very welcome, and thank you for taking the time to say so. I was hoping that the ending would satisfy people, and it seems that at least for the vocal community, it has. So thank you for taking the journey with us, and I'm glad that you seem happy for having done so :)
Muchacho NL edit delete reply
Muchacho NL
*sobs uncontrollably*
He called him "Dad".

all fun aside, it really is a sad read, but a good one. Great job on the script, and great job on the art, J&J ;)

Can't wait for your new adventure :)
model S edit delete reply
model S
"Everything is different now so I get to choose, and you are not my dad" -RZ to chad right before beth went ahead and wrecked chad.
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
Exactly :) Couldn't have it ending without an obscure reference to something that most people probably haven't read for well over a year :D
model S edit delete reply
model S
I'm not sure I quoted it correctly, but I got the basis. ... I .. I like how you did the last 3 titles "and all that's left to do, is end the tale, and say goodbye." Beautiful.

So, all of this was john telling RZ about the past? About how he came to be who he is? And revealing he was a human all along?
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
The reply thing gets wonky, unfortunately.

"I'm not sure I quoted it correctly, but I got the basis. ... I .. I like how you did the last 3 titles "and all that's left to do, is end the tale, and say goodbye." Beautiful.

So, all of this was john telling RZ about the past? About how he came to be who he is? And revealing he was a human all along? "

Yeah, this entire story was John telling the tale to RZ, explaining all the things that they went through. The very first page sets it up as him telling a story to someone. The reader assumes he's talking to them, ideally, but he was talking to RZ all along.

As for the titles, it seemed appropriate, so I'm glad you liked it :)
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
"*sobs uncontrollably*
He called him "Dad".

all fun aside, it really is a sad read, but a good one. Great job on the script, and great job on the art, J&J ;)

Can't wait for your new adventure :) "

We were going for bittersweet, I think. Sad, but somewhat hopeful.

In a way, it's my message to my kids if I die unexpectedly. We don't live forever, but we trust you with the world after we've left. Time to step up :)
Peter Palmiotti edit delete reply
Peter Palmiotti
....sniff.
kane732 (Guest) edit delete reply
long time ready frist time posting great job like the way it ended sad but life go`s on
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
Awesome, I'm glad you're happy with it :)
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
Hey, I gave some moments of happiness in there! It wasn't all downer! :D
PhilC edit delete reply
PhilC
A quiet ending. Quite beautiful and poignant. Thanks for this, James and June!
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
I love the last scene she drew. This was initially just going to be 1 panel at the end of the previous page, but Skrael felt that it warranted its own page. After seeing what she had planned, and now seeing what it turned out as, I know she was completely right.
Snoog (Guest) edit delete reply
This ending was perfect
Thank you for this series
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
Thank you for saying so. I was a little worried about it, especially after dragging people back after a year. But it seems well received, so I'm happy :)
Unka John edit delete reply
Unka John
Quite an achievement. Both of you are truly 2 of Comicfury's Titans.
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
I certainly feel like a Titan of Comicfury! Namely that I've been replaced by the new Gods, and hardly remembered :D

Thankfully, I haven't been horribly murdered, but I think that was on account of my not eating new CF members until Kyo replaced them with stones.

... Yeah, Greek Mythology was my Jeopardy category... ;)
T.Gatto edit delete reply
T.Gatto
Well, for starters, you have certainly come a long way from John sitting up with a baseball bat over his head, in fear of being eaten by Beth, both in terms of story, and artwork. :)

As for these last 2 strips, it makes me wonder if the “Overmind” will ever again be a real threat, or if the society built to guard against it, will prevail. My guess is that there will be trouble. Anything as smart as an "Overmind" must be silent on its decision to do so. It is biding its time, for whatever agenda (more than simply survival) an "Overmind" has. Why else would it have never bothered to communicate? Perhaps it sees a flaw in John's plan, and will seek world domination, or even a new Zombie Apocalypse, after the new world collapses?

- How long did Beth, and the series of John's live?
- Could they have just put Beth (and any other sixes) in a VR machine, and starved her back a bit, or is a starving 6 still a 6 in the end?
- How far behind are the others? I would assume they would start dropping off like flies at some point or other.
- Who killed Chad?
- Who killed Chad?
- Is RZ’s cape positive proof that he really is a Super Hero?
- How many Sixes preceeded Beth? I would have thought she would have been the first to become one.
- Would Robert ever have been able to figure things out, and preserve the society like Jonh and Beth did? Would he have ever taken care of the Humans/Clones, or just used them as cattle?

Missing TOGM already, but waiting patiently for Fuss and Shush.
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
Regarding the Overmind, I leave that up to the readers minds to sort out, at this point. I will say that RZ has the ability to make a new John, and after all their time perfecting the process, he could probably make a pretty good Beth too ;)

Obviously it will not be a glorious Utopia forever. Whether that comes from deceitful Enlightened, the People, or a resurgence of the Overmind (possibly due to deceitful Enlightened), it would not be smooth sailing forever.

Beth and the John clones lived for several centuries. It took that long for Beth to become a Six, despite their careful efforts to limit her advancement.

A starving Six is still a Six. And if they ever got fed together, well, that would be horrible. So they allow themselves to die in order to preserve their way of life.

Well, everyone other than Beth talked in the regular tone, so no one else has reached Fivehood, let alone Sixhood. But she was significantly higher than all of them to begin with, so a lot of the 'chains of Enlightenment' tie back to her.

Chad? Pretty sure I've never heard of him. Or who killed him. >.>

RZ's cape is definitely proof that he's a super hero, and he will happily tell anyone so.

There were a few people higher than Beth in Enlightenment, but none in our story. There would have been several who had to be 'encouraged' to sacrifice for the greater good ;)

Robert would never have figured out Enlightenment. If he had, he would have used the People as a control mechanism. They would have been well protected cattle.
asheswillfall (Guest) edit delete reply
T.Gatto always comes up with good questions, but I have one to add to that.

What happened to Thomas? Was he stuck to wander the wastes forever as a starving one?
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
Nope, he would have been a stand-in for John when John was needed to appear as a Zombie :D

He -may- have had Phantom's wig on, for ceremonial functions >.>
asheswillfall (Guest) edit delete reply
That makes a lot of sense, thanks for answering! I love that wig, rock on! Phantom always knew how to look stylish and have beautiful hair.
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
You're welcome!

That wig was great :D I'm glad Skrael was able to throw that in at the end :D
Turin (Guest) edit delete reply
The ending - from the point where Robert was killed, and on - actually turned this into a pretty decent - perhaps, even meaningful - story.

You could pursue this. Maybe, rewrite and redo the entire thing into something bigger. It was original.
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
To what end though? It was a tremendous amount of time and effort devoted to this comic as it is. I don't see the value in rewalking pretty much the same path.
Turin (Guest) edit delete reply
To follow the Zombie apocalypse-turned-Utopia idea. I don't usually watch or read zombie genres, but, I've never seen one where an advanced civilization came afterward.
Turin (Guest) edit delete reply
Also, you wouldn't, necessarily, have to retell everything. In fact, Why bother? You could reverse the way that you did it here. Instead of making the majority of the story about the world of zombies, with the rest as a little epilogue, rewrite the struggle as a quick prologue, and, then, flesh out the epilogue as the main story.

Then, for the history of the old world, you could refer the reader to the original story - as part 1.

Of course, if this was really all intended as just a lot of situational comedy, then - yeah - it's probably finished, as is. I just thought that I saw the seed for an interesting, bigger plot.
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
I'm glad that you see the allure of it, and while it was definitely a sit-com for the most part, the latter parts started to focus more on the drama side (as it seems to always happen with these sorts of things), which explains the bittersweet ending.

Truth be told though, we are kind of burnt out on the TOGM world for the time being. Maybe when some distance has come up, or maybe someday I might want to write something for it. Perhaps a short story / novel type setting. Right now, I'm trying to steer away from things that require someone else (in this case Skrael) to do most of the heavy lifting with regards to the amount of effort involved.

It's one thing for me to take a few hours to write out a script, yet another for the hundreds of hours for her to make it happen.
Turin (Guest) edit delete reply
Well, it was only a tentative suggestion. I take your word for it that it's a huge amount of work. I don't draw comics, so I wouldn't know. It was mostly fun to read ...so, good job.
Magravan edit delete reply
Magravan
Thank you :)